New York Metro
Salary Guide
Who Makes How Much
An impertinent look at other people's paychecks.
Salary envy and its more loathsome twin, salary smugness, are the yin and yang of New York life, the engine that drives the city. But face it: Unless you’re actually steaming open the mail, most of what you think you know about what your neighbor makes is little more than fantasy. That’s where we come in. We’ve compiled a voluminous and eccentric list of hundreds of New Yorkers’ salaries, from the hedge-funder who pulled down more than a billion last year to the Chinese-food deliveryman making four figures (plus tips). There’s Calvin Klein and a guy who sells knockoffs on the street, a cantor and an imam, a first-year assistant district attorney and Sam Waterston, an honorary veteran of the D.A.’s office.
The first such list published in this magazine, in 1972, offers a glimpse into the city’s misty, pre-Morgenthau past; Bob makes his first appearance on the 1975 list, and he is the only person who holds the same title now as he did then. Another landmark who has stood the test of time even longer than Morgie: Hugh Hefner, the sole listee from 1972 to recur in this issue. Back then, Hef banked $303,847 wearing the hats of chairman, president, editor, and—whew!—publisher of Playboy Enterprises. These days, he takes in $983,000 merely for his editor-in-chief duties. No one in 1972 even approached seven figures; the highest figure on the list was the $425,160 taken home by Meshulan Riklis, chairman and president of Rapid-American Corp. and ex-husband of Pia Zadora.
Even in 2005, it’s still considered bad manners in most circles to volunteer one’s salary. So putting the list together was a challenge. One local-TV weatherman summed up many opinions when he said, “Oy vey, oy vey, oy vey, oy vey! You know what four oy veys means? It means we don’t talk about that kind of thing, and I’m not going to tell you. It’s personal.” And he was right, of course, though that didn’t stop us. Corporate proxy statements, printed news reports (we are most heavily indebted to Forbes and to Institutional Investor’s Alpha magazine), city payrolls, nonprofits’ tax-return filings—those were easy. And sometimes asking people straight-up worked. Donald Trump Jr., for one, was happy to declare his income (like father, like son), and after some discussion, we decided to take his word for it. One squeamish real-estate broker gave her name and then panicked, demanding in a series of phone calls of escalating hysteria that we remove her last name. See Jennifer’s shame (minus, alas, her surname).
Some of the numbers, inevitably, are guesses. But they’re educated guesses, at least, based on multiple industry sources. Many artists and entertainers, for instance, were unenthusiastic about commenting on their earnings (as were their agents). In such cases, we relied on the informed speculation of insiders—though Andy Warhol’s earnings, to cite just one example, are controlled by the nonprofit Andy Warhol Foundation for the Visual Arts and are correct to the dollar. Some sources took our questions as an opportunity for sniping; explaining Maggie Gyllenhaal’s per-movie price, one studio executive kindly offered, “She’s a no-one.”
None of the figures includes perks—not a banker’s private jet, a university president’s housing, or an editor’s Town Car. This is about cash. Note that some of the CEO salaries may seem strange: They reflect salaries, bonuses, and exercised stock options only—so Time Warner CEO Richard Parsons is listed as earning $23.5 million, of which about $9 million represent options that he cashed out. All figures are the most recent available, and there’s a chance, of course, that some numbers have moved up or down since they were reported. We won’t pretend that this list will make you sleep any better—but at least you’ll know what to request next time you’re due for a raise.
Business
Edward Lampert
$1.02 billion
Manager, ESL Investments hedge fund
James Simons
$670 million
Manager, Renaissance Technologies Corp. hedge fund
Bruce Kovner
$550 million
Manager, Caxton Associates hedge fund
Richard Fuld
$35,257,099
Chairman and CEO, Lehman Brothers
E. Stanley O’Neal
$32,134,673
Chairman, CEO, and president, Merrill Lynch
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Henry Paulson Jr.
$29,789,359
Chairman and CEO, Goldman Sachs
Sanford Weill
$29,121,679
Chairman, Citigroup
William Harrison Jr.
$15,719,320
Chairman and CEO, JPMorgan Chase
James Dimon
$7,895,446
President and COO, JPMorgan Chase
Kenneth Chenault
$19,820,599
Chairman and CEO, American Express
Henry McKinnell
$17,188,437
Chairman and CEO, Pfizer
H. Edward Hanway
$13.3 million
Chairman, CEO, and president, Cigna
John D. Wren
$13,270,472
CEO and president, Omnicom Group advertising
James Dolan
$9.5 million
Chairman, CEO, and president, Cablevision
Edgar Bronfman Jr.
$6.3 million
CEO, Warner Music Group
David Neeleman
$286,971
Chairman and CEO, JetBlue Airways
John Thain
$4 million
CEO, New York Stock Exchange
Chelsea Clinton
$120,000
Consultant, McKinsey & Co.
Travis Harris
$3,120
Shoe-shiner, Wall Street ($20 a day, three days a week)
Chris (last name withheld)
$24,000
Panhandler, Bleecker and Broadway
Juanita Garcia
$3 million
2005 New York State lottery winner
Law
Robert Morgenthau
$150,000
District attorney, Manhattan
Jeannine Pirro
$136,700
District attorney, Westchester
Eric Rosen
$50,000
First-year assistant district attorney, Manhattan
Shannon Stallings
$45,922
First-year public defender, Legal Aid Society
Laura Held
$126,072
Parking-violation judge
Judy Sheindlin
$30 million
Television judge
H. Rodgin Cohen
$4 million
Chairman, Sullivan & Cromwell
Josh Dubin
$512,500
Jury consultant and trial strategist
William Joshua Brant
$125,000
First-year associate, Weil, Gotshal & Manges
Television
Dick Wolf
$200 million
Executive producer, Law & Order, Law & Order: SVU, Law & Order: Criminal Intent (includes syndication)
Sam Waterston
$2.5 million
Actor, Law & Order
David Chase
$20 million
Creator, The Sopranos
James Gandolfini
$10 million
Actor, The Sopranos
David Letterman
$31 million
Host, The Late Show With David Letterman
Jon Stewart
$1.5 million
Host, The Daily Show
Dave Chappelle
$0
Absent Comedian, Chappelle’s Show
($50 million contract for two years, but no episodes yet delivered)
Tina Fey
$1.5 million
Performer and head writer, Saturday Night Live
Regis Philbin
$20 million
Host, Live With Regis and Kelly
Kelly Ripa
$7 million
Host, Live With Regis and Kelly
Charlie Gibson,
$7 million
Co-anchor, Good Morning America
Brian Williams,
$4 million
Anchor, NBC Nightly News
Anderson Cooper
$2 million
Host, Anderson Cooper 360
Chuck Scarborough
$3 million
Anchor, WNBC news
Sue Simmons
$2.5 million
Anchor, WNBC news
Sam Champion
$1.5 million
Weatherman, WABC
Pat Kiernan
$200,000
Anchor, NY1
Roger Ailes,
$7.1 million
Chairman, Fox News Channel
Andrew Heyward
$1.5 million
President, CBS News
Movies
Harvey and Bob Weinstein
$50 million each
Co-chairmen, Miramax Films
(2004–5 bonuses and buyout from Disney split)
Robert De Niro
$20 million
Actor, Meet the Fockers
Leonardo DiCaprio
$20 million
Actor, The Aviator
Nicole Kidman
$15 million
Actress, The Interpreter
Kirsten Dunst
$8 million
Actress, Elizabethtown
Meryl Streep
$5 million
Actress, The Devil Wears Prada
Lindsay Lohan
$3.5 million
Actress, Herbie: Fully Loaded
($7.5 million for the upcoming Just My Luck)
Wire Image; Tim Whitby
Wire Image)
Uma Thurman
$3 million
Actress, Be Cool
Ethan Hawke
$3 million
Actor, Assault on Precinct 13
Jake Gyllenhaal
$3 million
Actor, Jarhead
Maggie Gyllenhaal
$500,000
Actress, upcoming untitled Oliver Stone 9/11 film
Rosario Dawson
$1 million
Actress, Rent
Peter Sarsgaard
$750,000
Actor, Flight Plan
Sarah Jessica Parker
$38 million
Gap spokeswoman
(plus $1 million for the upcoming Failure to Launch)
Karen Cooper
$182,592
Director and president, Film Forum
Johan Roldan
$10,200
Ticket collector, City Cinemas Village East
David Schmidt
$8,736
Kim’s Video clerk
(28 hours per week at $6 per hour)
Broadway
Billy Crystal
$10 million
Monologuist, 700 Sundays
Matthew Broderick and Nathan Lane
$5.2 million each
Actors, The Odd Couple
($100,000 per week)
Julia Roberts
$1,820,000
Actress, Three Days of Rain
($35,000 per week)
Rosie O’Donnell
$520,000
Actress, Fiddler on the Roof
($10,000 per week)
John Patrick Shanley
$2.6 million
Playwright, Doubt
(10 percent of weekly gross of $500,000)
Sydney Davolos
$100,000
General manager, Roundabout Theatre
Art
Glenn Lowry
$617,323
Director, the Museum of Modern Art
Philippe de Montebello
$552,078
Director and CEO, the Metropolitan Museum of Art
Aristotle Stathatos
$21,159
Security guard, the Metropolitan Museum of Art
William Ruprecht
$2 million
Director, Sotheby’s
Steven Kasher
$300,000
Chelsea gallery owner
Larry Gagosian
$30 million
Owner, Gagosian Gallery
Jasper Johns
$20 million
Painter
Jeff Koons
$15 million
Conceptual artist
John Currin
$3 million
Painter
Cindy Sherman
$1 million
Photographer
Andy Warhol
$16,226,741
Deceased artist
Music
50 Cent
$50 million
Rapper, hyphenate
Diddy
$36 million
Rapper, superhyphenate
The Strokes
$835,000
Rockers, Room on Fire (570,000 copies sold at roughly
$1.50 per album)
Wynton Marsalis
$796,012
Artistic director, Jazz at Lincoln Center
John Lennon
$21 million
Deceased singer-songwriter
Frank Sinatra
$5 million
Deceased singer-songwriter
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Mark Ronson
$400,000
D.J.
Tom Stewart
$20,000
Tower Records clerk
Lorin Maazel
$1,909,155
Conductor, New York Philharmonic
Joseph Volpe
$713,000
General manager, Metropolitan Opera
Renée Fleming
$135,000
Mezzo-soprano, Metropolitan Opera
($15,000 per performance)
George M.
$16,800
Street musician, Astor Place subway station
Books
Malcolm Gladwell
$1.5 million
Author, Blink
(advance, plus $250,000 New Yorker salary and $30,000 per speaking engagement)
Jonathan Safran Foer
$1 million
Author, Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close
(advance, plus $12,500 per speaking engagement)
Judith Regan
$1 million
President and publisher, Regan Books
Sonny Mehta
$750,000
Chairman and editor-in-chief, Alfred A. Knopf Publishing Group
Ann Godoff
$400,000
President and publisher, the Penguin Press
Sam Tanenhaus
$180,000
Editor, The New York Times Book Review
Stephen Riggio
$4,813,567
CEO and vice-chairman, Barnes & Noble
Lisa Jong
$12,896
Clerk, Barnes & Noble
(32 hours a week at $7.75 per hour)
Media
Barry Diller
$156,168,000
Chairman and CEO, IAC/InterActiveCorp
Richard Parsons
$23,557,165
Chairman and CEO, Time Warner, Inc.
Robert Iger
$12 million
CEO, Walt Disney Corporation
Sumner Redstone
$56 million
Chairman and CEO, Viacom
Les Moonves
$52 million
Co-president and co-COO, Viacom
Tom Freston
$52 million
Co-president and co-COO, Viacom
Bob Wright
$19.7 million
Vice-chairman of GE, chairman and CEO of NBC Universal
Martha Stewart
$3,565,969
Founder, Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia
Martha Stewart
$9.6 million
TV Star
($1.6 million for The Apprentice, $8 million for Martha)
Susan Lyne
$4,714,469
CEO and president, Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia
Arthur Sulzberger Jr.
$1.92 million
Chairman and publisher, the New York Times Co.
Peter Kann
$2.3 million
Chairman and CEO, Dow Jones
Karen Elliott House
$877,000
Publisher, the Wall Street Journal
Bill Keller
$650,000
Executive editor, the New York Times
Col Allan
$600,000
Editor, New York Post
Richard Johnson
$300,000
“Page Six” gossip columnist
Thomas Friedman
$300,000
Columnist, the New York Times
(plus $40,000 per speaking engagement)
Maria Schneider
$17,500
Associate Editor, The Onion
Will Shortz
$90,000
Crossword editor, the New York Times
Jim Romenesko
$169,187
Blogger, the Poynter Institute
Jessica Coen
$30,000
Blogger, Gawker.com
Parakash Patel
$14,400
Newsstand operator, 50th Street and Third Avenue
Hugh Hefner
$983,000
Founder and editor-in-chief, Playboy Enterprises
Christie Hefner
$1.44 million
Chairman and CEO, Playboy Enterprises
David Pecker
$3.15 million
CEO and president, American Media
Norm Pearlstine
$2 million
Editor-in-chief, Time Inc.
Anna Wintour
$2 million
Editor, Vogue
Sylvana Soto-Ward
$40,000
Assistant to Anna Wintour
Bonnie Fuller
$1,574,851
Editorial director, American Media
Janice Min
$1.2 million
Editor, Us Weekly
James Kelly
$1.1 million
Managing editor, Time
Tom Wallace
$1 million
Editorial director, Condé Nast
David Remnick
$1 million
Editor, The New Yorker
Dance
Peter Martins
$619,000
Artistic director, New York City Ballet
AP; Beatriz Schiller
Time Life Pictures/Getty Images)
Angel Corella and Julie Kent
$171,000 each
Principal dancers, American Ballet Theatre
Magdalena Piekarz
$48,000
Teacher, Arthur Murray Dance Studios
Sports
Paul Tagliabue
$8 million
Commissioner, National Football League
Don Garber
$1.25 Million
Commissioner, Major League Soccer
Wire Image)
Larry Brown
$10 million
Head coach, New York Knicks
Isiah Thomas
$6.7 million
General manager, New York Knicks
Brian Cashman
$1 million
General manager, New York Yankees
Omar Minaya
$700,000
General manager, New York Mets
Joe Torre
$6.4 million
Manager, Yankees
Willie Randolph
$630,000
Manager, Mets
Tom Coughlin
$2.75 million
Head coach, New York Giants
Herman Edwards
$2 million
Head coach, New York Jets
Eli Manning
$7.5 million
Quarterback, Giants
Chad Pennington
$9.1 million
Quarterback, Jets
Adrian Awasom
$230,000
Rookie defensive end, Giants
Alex Rodriguez
$25.2 million
Third baseman, Yankees
Pedro Martinez
$13.25 million
Pitcher, Mets
Steve Crampton
$9,900
Pitcher, Newark Bears
($450 per week for 22 weeks, plus $18 per diem on road trips)
Stephon Marbury
$17.5 million
Point guard, Knicks
Jason Kidd
$17.3 million
Point guard, New Jersey Nets
Trevor Ariza
$398,762
Final 2004 draft pick, Knicks
Becky Hammon
$89,000
All-Star guard, New York Liberty
Norm Roberts
$300,000
Head basketball coach, St. John’s
Patrick Magnan
$7,800
Head basketball coach, defending Manhattan champions Frederick Douglass Academy (in addition to his teacher’s salary)
Marv Albert
$750,000
TV play-by-play announcer, Nets
Mike and the Mad Dog
$2.7 million
Talk-radio hosts, WFAN
($1.4 million for Mike, $1.3 million for the Mad Dog)
Government
Gregory Burke
$18,444
Private first class, United States Army, stationed in Iraq
(includes $130 monthly hazardous-duty fee)
John Wright
$45,625
National Guardsman, Penn Station
Wire Image)
Kofi Annan
$341,094
Secretary-general, United Nations
Hillary Clinton
$162,100
United States senator
Charles Rangel
$162,100
United States congressman
George Pataki
$179,000
Governor
Eliot Spitzer
$151,500
State attorney general
Sheldon Silver
$121,000
State Assembly speaker
Joseph Bruno
$120,500
State Senate majority leader
Michael Bloomberg
$1
Mayor
(official mayor’s salary: $195,000)
Peter Madonia
$162,800
Mayor’s chief of staff
Kevin Sheekey
$270,842
Bloomberg reelection campaign manager
Cristyne Nicholas
$238,981
CEO and president, NYC & Company tourism bureau
John Doherty
$162,800
Commissioner, Sanitation Department
Lori Lyons
$48,996
Garbagewoman
Police and Fire
Thomas E. Nobles Jr.
$41,331
Postal carrier
Ray Kelly
$162,800
Police commissioner
Nicholas Scoppetta
$162,800
Fire commissioner
Charles Hirsch
$160,223
City chief medical examiner
Edwin Young
$149,766
NYPD anti-graffiti coordinator
Anthony Napolitano
$36,878
Rookie police officer
Mark Mershon
$130,000
Assistant director in charge of New York field office, FBI
John Coghlan
$60,000
Private detective
Twenty
Free walks, food, housing
Fire dog, Ladder Co. 20
Transportation
Glen O’Sullivan
$46,883
Subway conductor
Annette Sutton-Epps
$46,363
Subway station agent
Nzue Kohen
$37,000
Yellow-cab driver
Volkan Demir
$40,000
Pedicab driver
Gerard Deliotte
$20,800
Messenger
Santiago Segovia
$11,440
Parking-garage attendant
Personal Services
Keuyoung Lee
$150,000
Owner, 181 Corner Cleaners
Jason Onserud
$112,000
Personal trainer
Guy Ballirano
$75,000
Technician, Con Ed
Maria Capales
$50,000
Hairstylist
Elvin Urena
$26,085
Barber
Irene Nahon
$30,000
Manicurist
Natasha Sealy
$30,000
Nanny (plus lunch)
Christine Lanotte
$20,000
Dog walker, Petaholics
Tony Ristick
$5,217
Psychic, Celine Astrology
Flower
$150,000
Cocaine dealer, Lower East Side (
$275 per one-eighth ounce)
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Education
John Sexton
$740,504
President, New York University
Lee Bollinger
$611,000
President, Columbia University
Joseph Polisi
$484,706
President, the Juilliard School
Bob Kerrey
$340,000
President, the New School
Jeffrey Sachs
$300,000
Economics professor, Columbia University
Adam H. Becker
$60,000
Assistant professor, classics and religion, NYU
Wol-san Liem
$19,000
Teaching assistant, NYU
Joel Klein
$250,000
Chancellor, New York City Schools
Randi Weingarten
$223,656
President, United Federation of Teachers
Ellen Stein
$250,000
Head of school, Dalton
Stanley Teitel
$120,000
Principal, Stuyvesant High School
Karina Costantino
$116,673
Principal, P.S. 22 in Staten Island
Barbara Lancaster
$78,075
First-grade teacher, Ethical Culture Fieldston School
Christina Annunziata
$44,000
First-grade teacher, Bronx public school
Stephen Williams
$46,000
Custodian engineer, Park East High School
Jonathan Arak
$120,000
SAT tutor, Princeton Review
Health
Herbert Pardes
$2,327,655
CEO and president, New York Presbyterian Hospital
Harold Varmus
$1,693,710
CEO, Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center, Memorial Hospital
David Campbell
$1,254,952
CEO and president, St. Vincent’s Catholic Medical Centers
Kenneth Davis
$617,016
CEO, Mount Sinai Hospital
Steven J. Corwin
$951,021
Cardiologist/chief medical officer, Columbia Presbyterian Hospital
Howard Beaton
$549,989
Chief of surgery, NYU Downtown Hospital
Frank Manning
$503,844
Chief of OB/GYN, NYU Downtown Hospital
Scott Newman
$500,000
Plastic surgeon
Raymond Wong
$388,948
Assistant attending physician, NYU Downtown Hospital
Leena Lakhkar
$350,000
Dentist
Udomporn Ratanaphaledee
$16,640
Flower-shop cashier, Cornell Hospital
Religion
Edward Egan
$18,000
Cardinal, Archdiocese of New York
Rev. Kevin Madigan
$18,200
Catholic priest
Sister Marie of the Precious Blood
$0
Cloistered nun
Rabbi Joseph H. Gelberman
$50,000
Rabbi, All Faith Seminary (includes income from books, lectures, and weddings)
Judith Steel
$14,000
Cantor, the New Synagogue
($1,500 salary, $12,500 for weddings)
Imam Omar Abu-Namous
$4,200
Head of the Islamic Cultural Center of New York
Nonprofit
Sol Adler
$319,319
President, 92nd Street Y
Richard Haass
$275,000
President, Council on Foreign Relations
Richard Lattis
$234,777
General director, Wildlife Conservation Society (oversees city zoos)
Joan Malin
$187,000
CEO and president, Planned Parenthood of New York City
Ana Oliveira
$168,920
Executive director, Gay Men’s Health Crisis
Mary Brosnahan Sullivan
$152,893
Executive director, Coalition for the Homeless
Lt. Col. Nestor Nuesch
$22,000
Divisional commander, Salvation Army of Greater New York
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Real Estate
Donald Trump
$1,947,853
Chairman and CEO, Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts, Inc.
Donald Trump
$1.6 million
TV star, The Apprentice
Donald Trump Jr.
$500,000
Vice-president of acquisitions and development, Trump Organization
Mort Zuckerman
$21,597,641
Chairman, Boston Properties, Inc.
Dolly Lenz
$6.95 million
Super-broker, Prudential Douglas Elliman Real Estate
Jennifer R.
$350,000
(last name withheld) First-year broker
Hector Norat
$42,196
Superintendent, 209 W. 97th St.
Jose Felipe Gonzalez
$37,317
Doorman, 455 Central Park W.
Mohammed Hamid
$16,000
Handyman
David J. Douglas
$90,000
Contractor
Ramon Torres
$45,428
Window washer
Herman Jiminez
$40,000
Exterminator
Tommy Hilfiger
$22.4 million
Honorary chairman, Tommy Hilfiger, Inc.
Fashion
Calvin Klein
$22.2 million
Consulting creative director, Phillips Van Heusen Corp.
Russell Simmons
$119 million
Founder, Phat Farm (from the sale of Phat Farm alone)
Kimora Lee Simmons
$17 million
Creative director, Baby Phat
Kenneth Cole
$2.25 million
Chairman and CEO, Kenneth Cole Productions
Steve Madden
$700,000
Creative and design chief, Steve Madden Ltd.
Gisele Bündchen
$15.2 million
Supermodel
Dylan Erickson
$2,000
Male model (started modeling four months ago)
R. Brad Martin
$2.12 million
Chairman and CEO, Saks, Inc.
Howard Socol
$2.06 million
Chairman, CEO, and president, Barneys New York, Inc.
Michael J. Kowalski
$919,831
Chairman and CEO, Tiffany & Co.
Robert Cole
$40,000
Assistant manager, Banana Republic
Eric Miranda
$22,000
Sales clerk, Gap
Ricardo Fondeur
$35,000
Fragrance sales associate and sprayer, Macy’s
Masae Sasaki
$26,000
Sales associate, Tutu boutique, Nolita
Nivia Nogues
$15,652
Sales assistant, Payless Shoe Source
Nate P.
$31,600
Knockoff-handbag street vendor
Food
Jean-Georges Vongerichten
$6 million
Chef, restaurateur, author
Daniel Boulud
$4 million
Chef, restaurateur, author
Mario Batali
$2 million
Chef, restaurateur, author, Food Network star
Joey Repice
$44,200
Sommelier, Pure Food and Wine
Agim Seferi
$62,500
Wait captain, Café Gray
Bucho Suarez
$37,500
Short-order cook, Joe Jr. diner
Eva Ferka
$30,000
Reservationist, Alto
Travis Toy
$20,800
Line coordinator, Whole Foods Union Square
Jay Yaun
$19,200
Deli clerk, Apple Tree Market
Alex Aguinaga
$19,200
Deliveryman, FreshDirect
Eddie Santi
$17,888
Pizza server, Famous Famiglia Pizzeria
Jamal Khandaker
$11,200
Hot-dog and pretzel vendor, Broadway and Warren Street
Amirul Islam
$9,100
Fruit vendor, Broadway and Warren Street
Mike Kim
$5,200
Chinese deliveryman, Wang’s Restaurant (not including tips)
Edited by Kate Pickert.
Reported by Jessica Bennett, Mary Burke, Katie Charles, Renee DeFranco, Will Doig, Daniel Grushkin, Nathanael Johnson, Stirling Kelso, Yael Kohen, Ben Mathis-Lilley, Rebecca Milzoff, Suzanne Mozes, Janelle Nanos, Denise Penny, Emma Rosenblum, Rebecca Ruiz, Bree Sposato, Stacia Thiel, and Eric Wolff.
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